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''DARYL: Done some nerfing.  It seems too weak now, particularly spellcasting.  Clr3/Dru3/PotW10 would cast as 12/9 if divided evenly. Wiz3/Clr3/MyT10 would cast each at 13/13.  Although, PotW does use the same stat for both, while MyT uses different stats.  Please clear all of the above and comment on the most recent version.''
''I upped the casting and removed one of the bonus domains.  It swung back up to too powerful probably.''
''Comment on this version.  I'll refrain from altering anything but formatting until then.''
'''Randy:''' Nice formatting!  
'''Randy:''' Nice formatting!  


I have a major concern about the animal companion. Keeping it at full strength is too powerful. Have either the first 4 levels of the PrC not count towards the companion or have half the class levels count. Either is fine with me. The 1/2 progression makes it more relevant as you level, but the -4 ends with a more powerful companion. Divine Nature should cost both one use of Wild Shape and one turn attempt, and only last a number of rounds equal to PotW level. This will beef up the companion to compensate for the lower level of companion. (The Woodling template is a *very* good template.
I have a major concern about the animal companion. Keeping it at full strength is too powerful. Have either the first 4 levels of the PrC not count towards the companion or have half the class levels count. Either is fine with me. The 1/2 progression makes it more relevant as you level, but the -4 ends with a more powerful companion. Divine Nature should cost both one use of Wild Shape and one turn attempt, and only last a number of rounds equal to PotW level. This will beef up the companion to compensate for the lower level of companion. (The Woodling template is a *very* good template.
''The animal companion is not too powerful by any means.  See below.''


Domain spontaneity should also use a spell slot in addition to using a Wild Shape.
Domain spontaneity should also use a spell slot in addition to using a Wild Shape.
''It does.  It's spontaneous casting like CLW or Summon.  Similar to the feat of the same name from CD.  I'll reword.  I didn't just grant the feat because it would apply for more than one domain.''


Spellcasting: Choose one more level where spellcasting is not gained. Probably 1st or 5th.
Spellcasting: Choose one more level where spellcasting is not gained. Probably 1st or 5th.


I'm using MyT as my basis for reference, as well as ArcHeiro a little. That said, I still think the PrC is a little over powered but willing to try it out with the above changes.
I'm using MyT as my basis for reference, as well as ArcHeiro a little. That said, I still think the PrC is a little over powered but willing to try it out with the above changes.
''Arcane Hierophant is itself a "powerful" PrC.  I've used it as my basis.  Note arcane hierphant levels ALL stack for companion (as well as merged with familiar abilities), gets full stacking for wild shape, has +1/+1 spellcasting for every level and gets to ignore arcane failure.  I'll say that divine nature with domain spontaneity is about on par with channel animal/channel plant.''
''This leaves the bonus domain and the extra spell abilities.  I'd say both together are worth giving up two (one +1/+1) spellcasting levels.''
''Skills, the list is shorter with the same 4/level.  Saves and hit dice are better.  I could consider dropping one or the other if you still feel it's necessary.''
''Prerequisites are higher than both MyT and ArHr, neither of which require a feat, specific domain, or turning abilities.

Revision as of 17:43, 12 October 2005

Randy: Nice formatting!

I have a major concern about the animal companion. Keeping it at full strength is too powerful. Have either the first 4 levels of the PrC not count towards the companion or have half the class levels count. Either is fine with me. The 1/2 progression makes it more relevant as you level, but the -4 ends with a more powerful companion. Divine Nature should cost both one use of Wild Shape and one turn attempt, and only last a number of rounds equal to PotW level. This will beef up the companion to compensate for the lower level of companion. (The Woodling template is a *very* good template. The animal companion is not too powerful by any means. See below.

Domain spontaneity should also use a spell slot in addition to using a Wild Shape. It does. It's spontaneous casting like CLW or Summon. Similar to the feat of the same name from CD. I'll reword. I didn't just grant the feat because it would apply for more than one domain.

Spellcasting: Choose one more level where spellcasting is not gained. Probably 1st or 5th.

I'm using MyT as my basis for reference, as well as ArcHeiro a little. That said, I still think the PrC is a little over powered but willing to try it out with the above changes. Arcane Hierophant is itself a "powerful" PrC. I've used it as my basis. Note arcane hierphant levels ALL stack for companion (as well as merged with familiar abilities), gets full stacking for wild shape, has +1/+1 spellcasting for every level and gets to ignore arcane failure. I'll say that divine nature with domain spontaneity is about on par with channel animal/channel plant.

This leaves the bonus domain and the extra spell abilities. I'd say both together are worth giving up two (one +1/+1) spellcasting levels.

Skills, the list is shorter with the same 4/level. Saves and hit dice are better. I could consider dropping one or the other if you still feel it's necessary.

Prerequisites are higher than both MyT and ArHr, neither of which require a feat, specific domain, or turning abilities.

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