Disposable talk:The Hunting of the Crimson Lord

"Shadowcaster (Tome of Magic), Truenamer (Tome of Magic), Classes from Tome of Battle are being considered."

If you don't want magic, why allow those? They're magic with another name. Ditto artificer, warlock... --Robhim 03:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I drew the line at spells and not spell-like abilities. While characters will have a few spell-like abilities, there will not be a full strength caster in the group. I'm not certain about the ToM and ToB classes, so I thought that I would post them as a possibility and let someone try to talk me into them. --Wizardoest 14:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not too sure about the Truenamer, since it just seems like a mage with an extra chore attached, but the Shadowcaster is kinda sucktastic if you read it over. It's that kinda suck I like, but a nice "non-caster power level" mage. I somewhat agree on the Artificer since they are kinda limited by gold and XP cost, though the warlock is basicly a war mage focused on rays to me, except that it actually has utility abilities. As a side note, Tome of Battle is easily abusable and I shall show you the full fury of cheese if it is allowed (480 damage a turn cheese)... --Askewnotion 14:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the Tome of Battle is a giant cheese book. I'm interested to see the proof-of-concept on the 480 dmg per turn. --Wizardoest 14:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

My appologies, it's actually 640 damage a turn. Combine Factotum, Warblade, Master Thrower, and Bloodstorm Blade with the abilities/feats of Stormguard Warrior, Cunning Surge, Manyshot, and the Palm Throw. This allows 16 touch attacks in the first round of combat, and assuming all of them hit, granting 80 damage to each attack that hits the following round. You then make 8 thouch attacks next round, doing a base damage of 640, not including weapon damage and all other rmodifiers that may be included. I know the explaination is brief, but it is scarry if you want to look further into it.--Askewnotion 16:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems your line is 4th lvl spells. Warlock, artificer, factotum, dragon adept, and ToM would all be out by that rule of thumb. Btb, why lich? As opposed to the vast of array of full casting monsters. Hebi no Onna comes to mind.... --Arz 16:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)